Great show! I just saw it on CAT. I learned that
1) the main ID argument is: a statistically well-nigh impossible outcome implies a designer. (God)
2) one refutation is: No, that falsely assumes a statistical model is appropriate. There is not only designed order, but emergent order. Invisible hand processess occur. Things are not random.
Plavcan explained some such biological processes in the course of critiquing the arguments of two major ID proponents. He gave some very clever counter-examples to ID claims. Then he gave an expose of the ID movement. Billy Bob sez check it out.
Plavcan's Intelligent Design talk
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Plavcan's Intelligent Design talk
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Re: Plavcan's Intelligent Design talk
This is more Dembski's "specified complexity" than ID in general. Behe's concept of irreducible complexity is the more scientific-ish portion of ID. (Together, these two concepts form virtually all of the ID movement that isn't stolen outright from old-school creationism.) Dr. Plavcan also destroys the IC claim by appealing to exaptation/cooption and also exposing it as essentially a "God of the Gaps" argument.Hogeye wrote:I learned that
1) the main ID argument is: a statistically well-nigh impossible outcome implies a designer. (God)
<Physt> If 2 billion people believed in FSM.. we would use ID as the joke.. "YEAH, an invisible man just created everything".."Har har"
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I made a video of Dr. Manger's talk entitled "Balancing the Creation/Evolution Controversy" he gave at the 1st United Presbyterian Church. It's been turned in to CAT, and should be showing next week. It's not as informative as Plavcan's talk, but the science parts are interesting. Most freethinkers would probably not like it - it appeals to theists and addresses their dissonance between religion and science. But if you know a believer who's concerned with these issues...
I also produced a show covering the March 11 peace protest in Fayetteville.
I also produced a show covering the March 11 peace protest in Fayetteville.
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I'm already suspicious, because there is no controversy in the scientific field. Must we "balance" flat earth beliefs with Copernican models because the Flat Earth Society exists?Hogeye wrote:I made a video of Dr. Manger's talk entitled "Balancing the Creation/Evolution Controversy" ....
In any case, if you happen to find out specific times this will air, please let us know.
<Physt> If 2 billion people believed in FSM.. we would use ID as the joke.. "YEAH, an invisible man just created everything".."Har har"
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Manger's a good guy. Geologist I believe and an unapologetic evolutionist. Episcopalian I think. He's probably just trying to find some waffly way to sell evolution to the creationists rather than POUNDING THEM OVER THE HEAD WITH THE TRUTH STICK OF NO MERCY which is my preferred method. I trust him not cave on the actual science and facts.
If we ever put together a panel presentation to the public in an effort to teach people about evolution, he would be a good guy to have on. He was on one presented at the Unitarian Univeralist fellowship about ten years ago.
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Manger's a good guy. Geologist I believe and an unapologetic evolutionist. Episcopalian I think. He's probably just trying to find some waffly way to sell evolution to the creationists rather than POUNDING THEM OVER THE HEAD WITH THE TRUTH STICK OF NO MERCY which is my preferred method. I trust him not cave on the actual science and facts.
If we ever put together a panel presentation to the public in an effort to teach people about evolution, he would be a good guy to have on. He was on one presented at the Unitarian Univeralist fellowship about ten years ago.
D.
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Know Evidence, Know Belief. NO EVIDENCE, NO BELIEF!!! --Mark Smith