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More on that Anarchy test case, Somalia

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More Living and Loving it in stateless Somalia.

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Educated Only in Anarchy

Aden Osman belongs to a generation of Somalian youth that has known nothing but war and lacks the skills to rebuild a ruined nation.

By Edmund Sanders, Times Staff Writer
April 17, 2006

BAIDOA, Somalia — The young man is nostalgic for a time he can't even remember.

Aden Osman was 4 when the Somalian government collapsed in 1991. When he was 6, the bodies of American servicemen were dragged through the streets of Mogadishu and most of the world turned its back on his country.

There was the day when he was 9 and his uncles were shot while fetching water. He had to bury them. Another time, a rival clan slaughtered the family's livestock and poisoned their well. And in a battle between warlords, he was separated from his family for five days without food.

Most of all, he remembers the running, the constant fleeing through the bush as his family sought refuge from the clan warfare that seized the country 15 years ago after the fall of strongman Mohamed Siad Barre. They prayed for enough time in one place just to grow some food.

But Aden's parents have told him about better times, before the warlords, when the country was run by something called a government. Back then, they had cattle and crops to eat. People walked the streets at night without fear, his parents said. Children went to school and there was a hospital for the sick.

These are the times Aden dreams of.

"My parents say there were no checkpoints back then," he said. "There was no random killing without reason. And if you killed someone or robbed someone, you were punished. I wish I lived then. I guess I was born in an unlucky time."

Aden is one of millions of teens coming of age with little memory of Somalia's past and few skills to build its future.

The country is in ruins. A transitional government is meeting here in Baidoa, making the latest effort to put the nation back together. But even if the lawmakers succeed, Somalia desperately needs architects, teachers and doctors. Most government buildings were reduced to rubble in the civil war. Roads are broken and airports are little more than dirt strips.

Somalis grow what food they can and import the rest from Yemen and other countries. Wells and rivers are drying up. Water, when it can be found, is often unfit to drink.

After 15 years of anarchy, fewer than one in five Somalian children has ever stepped into a classroom, and even those received only the most basic skills.

"We have lost an entire generation," said Somalian Foreign Minister Abdullahi Sheik Ismail, part of the transitional government attempting to wrest control of the country from warlords.

Humanitarian experts predict Somalia will need to scramble in coming years to educate and train these young people through adult vocational schools. But many predict a lack of skills will hinder its prospects of recovery for at least a decade.

Now 19, Aden has never attended school. He can't read or write. With all the moving, he even lacks the farming skills that might have been passed down by his father. He's watched television once and never used a computer. Offered a soda to drink, he can't figure out how to use a bottle opener.

Most days, he said, he sits at home until the afternoon, and then goes looking for work. More often than not, he ends up hanging out with friends, chewing on stems of khat, a plant that provides a mild, amphetamine-like euphoria.

"I don't know what to do with my life," Aden said. "Some days I just chew. There are no jobs. I don't have any direction."

More than half of Somalian teens report using guns, and one in four boys under age 18 has fought with a militia, according to a 2003 UNICEF study. Child malnutrition and malaria rates are among the highest in the world. And although the psychological impact has yet to be accurately measured, many children suffer from nightmares, difficulty concentrating and aggressive behavior, according to the U.N. child-welfare agency.

"Ever since these kids opened their eyes, there has been nothing but fighting," said Mohammed Abdi Ali, headmaster at the only secondary school still open in Baidoa, a war-torn southern Somalian town. "It's all they know. This generation has lost all their aspirations."

His tidy school serves as an unexpected refuge from the rest of Baidoa's decay. There is new paint, rows of desks and algebra equations on the wall. It's easy to imagine Aden among the handful of fresh-faced uniformed students in the senior class.

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I can hardly wait for Hogeye's response to this. I guess maybe he waited a little to long because it sounds like they are trying to put together a government of some type and get things back under control. He may have missed the oportunity to have gone to Somalia and put his full support behind or with or in front of his favorate anti-state warlord. Then again things might be a little more comfy in N. W. Arkansas.
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It's hard to assess, much less address, post traumatic stress syndrom before it's "post". That's for the ones who survive until it is "post".
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JamesH wrote:Then again things might be a little more comfy in N. W. Arkansas.
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You mean Ozarkia!!!

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The other side of the story...

March 08, 2006 - 14:37
A leaderless nation learns to adapt, Somalis rebuild and cling to hope

By John Donnelly, Globe Staff | March 8, 2006=

MERCA, Somalia -- When Abdirahman Farah, who is blind, returned to his native Somalia two years ago, his friends in Britain worried about him because of the country's lawlessness.

But Farah was not deterred by the peril, or by the lack of a functioning government to provide services or security. He started a school for the blind in Mogadishu, the capital, by raising tens of thousands of dollars from local businesses and enrolling 22 students, with 100 more currently on a waiting list.

Farah is among the thousands of Somalis who have adapted and plunged ahead with businesses, schools, and service organizations despite the continuing violence and leadership void. As Somalia this week took another important step to resurrect its national government after 15 years without one, many Somalis say they would welcome even a minimalist government, one that would guarantee their security but also allow their recent initiatives to flourish. They worry about a return to a dictatorial government that would quash many freedoms, including a free-market system.

In the meantime, Somalis operate as if the status quo will hold for a while. '

'We're not waiting for a government anymore," Farah said during a recent business trip to this coastal city about 60 miles south of Mogadishu. ''We've been waiting so long for a government. Now there's a belief that Somalis can advance on their own." (continued - full article here)
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This is all just more indication that in principle, Bakunin had a working basic idea with taking away all government and people will impose a rule of law without it being forcefully implemented from above. Yes, to some extent, it works, but not nearly on all levels. Not that any form of government could claim to solve all problems on all levels.

Basically, Bakunin and Marx had the same ultimate goal, eliminating all government and establishing a society ruled by ethical principles upheld by every individual. Works great, if everyone actually adheres to those same, extremely high ethical standards. Just that Marx goes through the intermediates of socialism and communism, as opposed to Bakunin advocating just taking away government, period.

Somalia could be viewed as the struggle foreseen by Bakunin that initially follows the elimination of government before harmony is established. However, the remnants of order in Somalian society are NOT due to individual adherence to ethical standards, but due to tribal structures. If we truly were talking about an anarchist society here, wed have to take away the whole tribal framework as well. And then, I dont know if wed be seeing any form of order for a LONG time to come - I would think a dog-eat-dog world to be far more likely, and unlike Bakunin, I dont see it stabilizing into a harmonic society. The question is, even if it did, would it be worth the hardship that the country would have to endure for decades, maybe centuries?
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Societies ruled by ethical principles upheld by every individual have been tried - and have failed - for over 2,000 years at the very least. It only takes one or two individuals out for what they can get to bring the whole thing crashing down. And those individuals are out there - considerably more than one or two. I'll stick with government.
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CL wrote:Bakunin had a working basic idea with taking away all government and people will impose a rule of law without it being forcefully implemented from above.
Right, CL. IOW, legal systems and police services do not require a territorial coercive monopoly (a State).
CL wrote:Works great, if everyone actually adheres to those same, extremely high ethical standards.
Here's were you go wrong. Just as a free market for breakfast cereal doesn't mean everyone must agree to eat corn flakes, a free market in security doesn't mean everyone has to agree on the same laws, legal procedures, or morality.

Anarchism does not mean no law - it means no monopoly law. Anarchism is not against all services presently supplied by the State; it is against the monopoly provision of services. Somalia has competing police firms (the militias) and a centuries-old non-statist legal system call the Xeer (pronounced 'herr' like the German mister.)
CL wrote:Somalia could be viewed as the struggle foreseen by Bakunin that initially follows the elimination of government before harmony is established.
Yes, exactly. In the few years after deposing the dictator in 1991, there was violent competition for the reins of State. Then people realized that no one would get control, so the violent competition for power subsided. Now we are seeing new schools and businesses popping up.
CL wrote:If we truly were talking about an anarchist society here, we'd have to take away the whole tribal framework as well.
A family is not a State; a tribe is not a State, a chess club is not a State. Tribalism is compatable with anarchism. In fact, the wonderful legal system developed by the tribes - the Xeer - is one of the main positive things going for Somalian anarchism. They have a culture of statelessness and the legal system to support it already.

Barbara wrote:It only takes one or two individuals out for what they can get to bring the whole thing crashing down. And those individuals are out there - considerably more than one or two. I'll stick with government.
You apparently still don't understand what anarchism is. You still erroneously assume it implies no legal system or police. I actually means competing legal and police services. And you and I know which is more efficient - a monopoly or competing firms.
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Yesterday UN radio said Somolia has the highest child mortality and lowest school enrollment in the world. Such a wonderful advertisement for anarchy.
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As far as I can tell, Somalia is no longer an anarchist experiment. The US apparently funded a coalition of anti-Muslim militias, which had a backlash of motivating a coalition of Islamic militias to clear Mogadishu of all non-Islamic courts. Meanwhile the UN imposed government still has virtually no support outside a little backwater town 100 miles out of Mog. In short, massive outside military intervention has killed the experiment, with blowback resulting in a new Islamic state, at least in Mog.
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