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Revenge of the Electric Ninja

By Bill Moore
Okay, if you're addicted to gasoline, exhaust fumes and loud noises, then this story isn't for you. Just ignore it and get back to paying an arm and leg for imported oil, ruining your health and destroying your hearing. There's nothing here for you, so just keep... cough, cough... motoring on.

But, if you're looking for an affordable way to get back and forth to work at normal highway speeds at distances of less than 40 miles and you're fed up with ever-higher gasoline prices, then stick around and give a listen. John Bidwell has something that might just interest you.
El Ninja creator John Bidwell talks about how to convert gasoline motorcycles to electric drive for less than you'd expect and when you do, you'll never spend a another dime on gasoline.

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Good for John Bidwell! Now how many Ninja (or other "hog") riders are going to be willing to do that? It's not just the look of a macho-stud bike, it's also the sound & smell, that draws those who buy them.
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Electrics still kicking gas's ass:

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The new power
Electric dragsters all the (quiet) rave


Scott Pollacheck takes Bill Dube's "Killacycle" on a trial run. The Killacycle uses battery power and reaches drag-race speeds in excess of 150 mph.

By Dennis Yohnka
Special to the Herald News

Until the weather decided not to cooperate, Route 66 Raceway had been the designated setting for a very unusual attempt to set a new world speed record.

It's not like Funny Car King John Force and the rest of the NHRA haven't already put this quarter-mile into the record book. It's just that Bill Dube' (that's pronounced Dew-Bay) planned to do it without the aid of an internal combustion engine.

Dube' was scheduled to rent an RV and drive from Denver to Joliet, his first trip to Illinois, to be a part of today's Midwest Alternative Fuel Vehicle Expo, co-sponsored by the raceway and Joliet Township High School. Unfortunately, officials were forced Friday to cancel the event because of inclement weather.

Competing in the "High Voltage Nationals," Dube' was hoping his "Killacycle," which already holds the record as the world's fastest electric racer, could top the quarter-mile mark of 9.450 seconds (152.07 mph) that he set in six years ago.

Dube' had hoped to make at least three runs to "warm up" his special Lithium-Ion batteries. His plan was to send 340 volts to a direct-drive electric that would rewrite the record book and give designated rocket-jockey Scott Pollacheck all he could handle on the super-smooth Route 66 racing surface.

Why was Dube' so optimistic about a new milestone in electric racing? "Like we always say, it's in the battery," he explained earlier this week. "I have a brand new sponsor, A123 Systems batteries. The company is based in Massachusetts and this particular product was developed in partnership with MIT."

Of course, Dube' doesn't take anyone else's word for the performance of parts that go onto his bike. He says he "tortured" the batteries until he was confident that they could hold up. "There wasn't a Lithium-Ion battery that I couldn't turn into a road flare — until these came along," he said.

Dube' used to pilot the Killacycle himself, but he now explains that reducing the weight of the bike can cost thousands of dollars. Reducing the weight of the driver by 70 pounds was as easy as asking to the 121-pound Pollacheck to take a ride.

Pollacheck competes with standard motorcycles in other drag-racing action and he would have faced the same issue that would have confounded most fans at today's event.

"The hardest thing to get used to is how quiet it is," said electric dragster driver John Embe of Lockport. "When I go down the track, I can actually hear the fans in the stands. I hear the reaction they have to just how quick — and how quiet — these cars can be."

Embe, a retired machinist, has been racing for the past seven years and has turned times in the 11-second range, topping 110 mph. He does it with 28 12-volt batteries that, arranged in series, create 336 volts. That power goes to a 280-pound electric motor.

How would that compare to, say, a Dodge Viper, with its 12-cylinder engine, coupled with a six-speed manual transmission? Well, the Viper would make more noise and maybe turn more heads, but the factory-stock Dodge would be left in Embe's exhaust — if there was any. Viper times are usually in the 12-second range, with a top speed of 164.

Creating this kind of electric drag racer is not a simple matter of assembling the right custom speed parts. Dube', who designed and built his machine, calls the process "a marriage between state-of-the-art battery technology and old-fashioned 'do-it-in-the-garage' workmanship." His first bike previously was powered by 126 14-amp-hour motorcycle starting batteries. Each battery weighed 11 pounds, but they put out 900 amps during a run down the strip.

"The new batteries haven't been officially tested, but our practice runs were very promising," Dube' said. "This company built its reputation making those rechargeable batteries for DeWalt power tools. And the quality is definitely there. I've tested hundreds of cells and they are within one-one-hundreth of a volt of each other.

The Killacycle team includes Dube'; Pollacheck; Steve Ciciora, who focuses on electronics design; Derek Barger, whose specialties include metal fabrication, and Dave "Battery Boy" Hawkins.

Dube's passion for making the most of electricity is matched by Embe, who notes that he retired from his machine shop in order to make his hobby his "non-profit profession." "I guess it's still a hobby, but it's a hobby you can get in and drive — and you can drive right by the gas stations," he said.

He enjoys talking about racing, but his focus is on converting gas-powered cars to electric power for commuters. Those cars tend to have a top speed of 50 or 60 and a range of 50 miles between recharging sessions.

"It will take some new technology in the construction of the batteries before we can extend the range," he said. "But we're learning things on the time on the dragstrip. We've raced all across the country and you learn a lot just talking to some of the other racers."

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The problem is now, and has been for at least 50 years, getting what's learned on the race track into mainstream transportation. GE Canada's "Sun Racer" won the Australian Outback solar car race (coming in 3 days ahead of the 2nd place vehicle) in 1985 - partly due to lithium batteries. I was expecting to see results of that research and testing on "the showroom floor" by 1995. Carbon fiber car bodies were first used in the 1930s on an "All American" Ford that ran on vegetable oil and had synthetic rubber tires - and I saw "test models" of modern vehicles with those mega-tough, incredibly light-weight bodies at Epcot Center in 1988. Too bad American auto manufacturers can't see farther forward than the quarterly stock market reports. It takes capital to build new factories for really new cars - but think of the profit they'd be making now if they'd done it (instead of lay offs and going under).
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This is a cool dirt bike. Maybe a local store will start stocking them.

A blurb from the fellow who made the pic:

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I had stayed away from EV’s for a whole year and now look at me, I am looking for another one. Ok, my name is matt and I am an EVaholic! : ) Warning EV’s are addictive once you touch the stuff you are addicted for life.

I was doing more research and created a document comparing the Blade to a stock 2006 KX250F. I thought some of you might find this interesting. I also found during my research that a stock 125cc two stroke dirt bike puts out anywhere from 27-31hp and only 9-12 ft lbs of torque and a stock 450F puts out 38-42hp and 36-42 ft. lbs of torque. The blade should be able to competitive with both a 125cc and a 250F dirt bike based on the information below. If you were to use the industry standard of multiplying an electric motor hp by 3 to get the equivalent ICE engine horse power, then the Blade ought to be competitive with a 450F dirt bike.

The graphic below was created by me and is not in any way associated with Electric Moto Corp. It was developed with the sole purpose of comparing the 2 bikes. The information was complied from internet sources.

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More info on this electric car:

NmG

It is the most limited edition car ever manufactured. The NmG-1 is made in Tallmadge, Ohio at the Myers Motors facility. It is essentially the body of the original Corbin Sparrow with the entire transport system, electronics, and charging systems completely reengineered by the people at Myers Motors. The NmG-1 is a tremendous improvement from the original Corbin Sparrow. Years of research & development went into the making of this fine all-electric vehicle. All of the bugs and flaws that developed in the Sparrow have been carefully examined and reengineered by the Myers Motors technicians. A spare no expense attitude at Myers has culminated in creating an all-electric vehicle that will set the standard for future vehicles.
A Corbin Sparrow owners after test riding the NmG at The Solar Store said it was a vast improvement on the original in all areas. The NmG-1 is a single seat, all-electric vehicle that is actually considered and registers as a motorcycle. Its highly efficient design enables it to provide extremely cost effective transportation.

The car plugs into an ordinary 110-volt electrical outlet and fully recharges in 6 hours (3 hours with the 220-volt charger).
The NmG-1 features an AM/FM/CD stereo, electrically operated windows, full instrumentation including voltage meter, amps meter, MPH, etc. The transmission is fully automatic, with two simple settings for forward and reverse. The car registers as a motorcycle, insures as a motorcycle, and is completely street legal. Because it has an enclosed passenger compartment, anyone driving the vehicle doesn't need a motorcycle helmet.

Features:

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Onboard battery charger 110 or 220 Volt AC.
156 Volt DC Motor Standard
156 Volt 600 Amp DC Motor Controller
Three-wheeled vehicle registers, insures and parks as a motorcycle.
Curb Weight - 1350 Lbs.

$24,950

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Darrel wrote:More info on this electric car:

$24,950

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I LOVE this car. I've been wanting one ever since it was the Corbin Sparrow. (The new name sounds horribly dry.)

Due to a possible oversight, instead of listing the car at $24,950, the website listed it at $24.00.

I wrote to them and told them, but weeks later it was still priced at $24.00.

So I bought a dozen!

Just kidding. I don't think that would work.
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Doug wrote:So I bought a dozen!

Just kidding. I don't think that would work.
Do it, then when they explain that it was a mistake, take the opportunity to offer them a deal. They give you one car for $24, and you won't sue them for false advertising. It's win/win!
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More exciting electric news:

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Battery-Fueled Car Will Smoke You

By Joshua Davis, from Wired magazine 12:00 PM Jul, 19, 2006

Martin Eberhard holds the brake down with his left foot and presses on the accelerator with his right. The motor revs, the car strains against the brake. I hear ... almost nothing. Just a quiet whine like the sound of a jet preparing for takeoff 5 miles away. We're belted into a shimmering black sports car on a quiet, tree-lined street in San Carlos, California, 23 miles south of San Francisco. It has taken Eberhard three years to get this prototype ready for mass production, but with the backing of PayPal cofounder Elon Musk, Google's Larry Page and Sergey Brin, and ex-eBay chief Jeff Skoll, he has created Silicon Valley's first real auto company.

"You see any cops?" Eberhard asks, shooting me a mischievous look. The car is vibrating, ready to launch. I'm the first journalist to get a ride.


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He releases the brake and my head snaps back. One-one-thousand: I get a floating feeling, like going over the falls in a roller coaster. Two-one-thousand: The world tunnels, the trees blur. Three-one-thousand: We hit 60 miles per hour. Eberhard brakes. We're at a standstill again -- elapsed time, nine seconds. When potential buyers get a look at the vehicle this summer, it will be among the quickest production cars in the world. And, compared to other supercars like the Bugatti Veyron, Ferrari Enzo, and Lamborghini Diablo, it's a bargain. More intriguing: It has no combustion engine.

The trick? The Tesla Roadster is powered by 6,831 rechargeable lithium-ion batteries -- the same cells that run a laptop computer. Range: 250 miles. Fuel efficiency: 1 to 2 cents per mile. Top speed: more than 130 mph. The first cars will be built at a factory in England and are slated to hit the market next summer. And Tesla Motors, Eberhard's company, is already gearing up for a four-door battery-powered sedan.

In an age when a car's electronics are worth more than its steel, it seems only natural that the tech sector would have its own car company. The question is, can Eberhard turn the digital era into horsepower, torque, and rpm?

Eberhard has never designed a car and has no experience building one. He created the Rocket eBook, a handheld digital book reader that came to market in the late '90s. But he insists his eBook background is relevant to starting a car company. The device used a rechargeable battery, and Eberhard -- an electrical engineer -- devoted himself to maximizing run time and minimizing weight. In 2000, his venture, NuvoMedia, was bought by TV Guide's parent company, which quickly abandoned the product.

But Eberhard was flush with cash and decided to buy himself a new sports car. He wanted something that was fast but still got good mileage. He quickly learned that high performance and fuel efficiency are mutually exclusive, at least when it comes to internal combustion engines. So he started researching alternative technologies and soon realized it was actually possible for an electric car to combine zip and efficiency. The problem: Nobody was making one. The EV1, General Motors' electric car, had failed, in part because it was expensive and poorly marketed. Most crippling, though, was the underperformance of the original lead-acid batteries and even the second-gen nickel metal hydride cells. Consumers wanted a vehicle that had a range greater than the EV1's (at best) 130 miles. The common wisdom was that batteries just weren't there yet.

But what did Detroit know about batteries? Eberhard had squeezed 20 hours of run time out of the little power pack on his eBook. Battery efficiency was an obsession among computer engineers, who were extracting more power from ever-smaller cells with each generation of laptops. GM seemed oblivious to the lessons emerging from the electronics industry. Eberhard began to think that if anybody was going to build a viable electric car, it would be a Silicon Valley engineer. Then, after reading biographies of John DeLorean and Preston Tucker, and reminding himself that launching a car company was a crazy idea, he did just that.

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Their main page is here:

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The Tesla. This is a cool looking auto! So are you going to start selling them, Darrel?
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The Tesla pretty much blows away the whole thesis of "Who Killed the Electric Car?". The claim there (judging from the web site; I haven't seen the movie) is that it takes government regulation to make electric vehicles feasible, and not passing such regulation "kills" the electric car industry. The Tesla hopefully will show that this is not so; that if you build a good enough car people will buy it. It also shows another thing: that just as you couldn't expect IBM to invent the home computer, you can't expect big existing gas automakers to invent a good electric car. It takes a startup, or at least someone outside the establishment.
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Hogeye wrote:It also shows another thing: that just as you couldn't expect IBM to invent the home computer, you can't expect big existing gas automakers to invent a good electric car. It takes a startup, or at least someone outside the establishment.
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Hogeye, who created the Internet?

It wasn't the *GASP* STATE, was it?
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"May the the last king be strangled in the guts of the last priest." - Diderot
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Only after Government (general) got it out of the hands of military (specific) - market forces depend on government to keep them free. Note the big media corporations are trying to take it over. Without government to keep it free, it will become one more marketing and propaganda tool, with no redeeming features.
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Barbara Fitzpatrick wrote:Only after Government (general) got it out of the hands of military (specific) - market forces depend on government to keep them free. Note the big media corporations are trying to take it over. Without government to keep it free, it will become one more marketing and propaganda tool, with no redeeming features.
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Like Network News.

Market forces will kill the good features of the Internet, I agree. Hogeye's market worship will come back to haunt him.
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Check out this video of the Vectrix electric scooter that is, actually, going to be available soon. (This is just a video some guys from groovy-green put together, not an official vectrix production).
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New Emax model being shown in Italy this month.

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