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The night before the burial of her husband's body, Katherine Cathey refused to leave the casket, asking to sleep next to his body for the last time. Before she fell asleep, she opened her laptop computer and played songs that reminded her of JIM.

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Hey, those aren't war pictures - they're pictures of dead milfare recipients. Frankly, I'm glad those assholes are dead. Anyone so stupid they'd indenture themselves to the State, and so immoral that they'd murder for politicians, deserves to die. Besides, it improves the gene pool.

For similar sentiments by Herbert Spencer, read his essay Patriotism.
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Glad you shared that insight Hogeye. Surely the grief this woman is experiencing is her own fault.

What follows is an article from Cindy Sheehan. Apparently the war supporters are attacking her for not having a grave marker up for her son.

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A Markerless Grave in Vacaville
By Cindy Sheehan
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Tuesday 11 April 2006

I am so tired of the Rovian, heartless, and ignorant smear machine attacking me and my family at every turn of my back.

The latest abomination in their scrutiny of my life is the fact that Casey has no "tombstone." As if it were anybody's business but Casey's family. I am sure every last person who has a problem with this has buried a child and they know what we are going through.

I am being smeared because I have a new car and I have "blown" through "$250,000.00" dollars of Casey's insurance money. I am sure that they have ready access to my bank accounts, too. I know I am writing this to compassionate people who would rather focus on an administration who lies, tortures, kills innocent people using conventional and chemical weapons, spies on its citizens without due process, and is treacherous in outing a CIA operative for petty high school-like revenge, thereby endangering her, her family, and her fellow CIA agents. If it weren't for these criminals, my son wouldn't need a tombstone.

I will tell the world why Casey has no marker yet. In the first place, does anyone who is attacking me know how Casey was brought home from Iraq? We picked him up in the United loading dock in a cardboard box and he was off-loaded into a hearse without one honor guard. We had to wait for about a half hour on a curb near the United freight area for his one escort, who rode from Dover Air Force Base in a seat, while Casey was treated as an over-sized piece of luggage. Has anybody held her other sobbing children who are sitting on a curb in San Francisco, waiting for the remains of their big brother to be carried over to the dock by a forklift?

Our so-called, illegitimate president has never attended a funeral, nor can families see the pictures of their loved ones as they are hauled like freight with flags on them from an immoral war zone. WE don't see them because Mama Bush doesn't want to "bother her pretty mind" with the images. America doesn't want to be bothered, either. We had a Casualty Officer who abandoned us when our mortuary refused to pay the cemetery and told us that the "government sent the money to the mortuary, so now it is your problem. You may have to sue the mortuary." Our government discards and dishonors its own.

My Casey wasn't always a soldier. He was a son and brother whose murder has left an aching hole in our lives worse than an amputation. Sooner or later, amputations heal and quit throbbing; this hole never will, or can, heal.

For the first year after Casey was killed, I didn't want to believe it. I didn't want to place a TOMBstone on my son's grave. I didn't want one more marble proof that my son was dead. I couldn't even call where he was buried a "cemetery," I had to call it "Casey's Park." I placed fresh flowers in the cup every week and journaled there almost on a daily basis, and often laid on it and fell asleep and dreamed of my needlessly killed son. Have any of these people who claim that I am pissing on my son's grave even visited him? Have they visited the grave of any soldier needlessly or senselessly killed in George's war of choice for oil and profit? Have they sobbed uncontrollably for my first born who shouldn't even need a gravestone? No, all they want to do is attack a mother who wants to prevent other people from having to bury their own child. They want to perpetuate a war that has already killed many thousands of our fellow human beings for absolutely nothing.

Casey's shell is buried in Vacaville, California, not his spirit. He lives with me and he is constantly with me as I travel the world so other families, Iraqi or American, do not have to bury their children. Casey lives in the hearts of everyone who wants peace and works for peace. He will never truly die.

There are many people whom the Bush regime has killed, either directly or indirectly, by their murderous policies: there are people buried under rubble of Iraq and who were buried under the rubble of the World Trade Towers, and if their families were lucky they could find small parts to bury, before their remains were carted away in the enormous trucks and barges; there are people still unaccounted-for in the swamps of New Orleans and in refrigerated trucks in Mississippi that will never even have graves, let alone gravestones. The Bush regime is good for business, all right; especially the funeral business.

I know these people are searching for proof that I am a horrible person, and it must be evidence that I didn't love Casey if he doesn't have a marker. I know that they can't support a criminal regime that is slipping into fascism, so they have to attack a mom for the "crime" of being broken-hearted and trying to save lives.

What they don't know is that they can't stop me from trying to save lives. No matter what they cook up next.

It is too important. No more needless gravestones. No more wasted lives.
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041106Z.shtml
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Hogeye just proved he's right up there with GHWB Jr as far as being out of touch with either reality or humanity. I guess if Hogeye got hit by a truck it would serve him right for living in a "statist" society that has streets for trucks to run on (and trucks to run on them). Eugenics was very popular in the 1920s & 30s - Hitler was strongly in favor of purifying the gene pool - but since the military tends to take the best rather than the worst, killing off soldiers is a lousy way of improving things genetically.
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Darrel wrote:Glad you shared that insight Hogeye. Surely the grief this woman is experiencing is her own fault.
You blame the mother for the immoral actions of her son? While she may or may not have some indirect culpability depending on the extent she trained her son to be subservient to the State, the decision to join the rulers' murder gang was the son's alone. The milfare dumbshit has primary moral culpability.

Have pity for the mothers of dead serial killers, whether they be Ted Bundy's mother or milfare recipients' mothers. But feel free to ridicule their sons. And share that ridicule with high-school targets of military recruiters. Tolstoy and I say war won't end until people refuse to become cannon-fodder. Just say "no" to military recruiters!

Anyone who'd be willing to die for their commander-in-chief, would be willing to get buggered by their commander-in-chief. [Warning: explicit nudity]

Edited by Savonarola 13Apr2006 1150: added warning
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Hogeye wrote: You blame the mother for the immoral actions of her son?
Ah, Hogeye, there is this nifly thing called sarcasm. Perhaps you've heard of it? Obviously Darrel was being sarcastic when he said "Surely the grief this woman is experiencing is her own fault". Hellooo!

And may I say, EEEEEEEEEEEW! I would appreciate a warning before having to look at your graphic posterior. That is not something I would ever choose to view in the future. What if I had just eaten? A person could lose their lunch! What with the cost of food these days, that'd be a shame.
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Darrel wrote:Glad you shared that insight Hogeye. Surely the grief this woman is experiencing is her own fault.
HOGEYE
You blame the mother for the immoral actions of her son?
DAR
More reading comprehension problems and sloppiness. Read the blurb under the picture. The picture shows a wife grieving the death of her husband.

And obviously, as Tamara points out, I was mocking your cruelty toward the wife of the deceased.
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I would appreciate a warning before having to look at your graphic posterior.
DAR
Hogeye thinks he is so shocking and cutting edge. Pitiful.

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Tamara wrote:Ah, Hogeye, there is this nifly thing called sarcasm. Perhaps you've heard of it?
Just a tip to all readers: Since sarcasm really doesn't translate to text very well, the general internet convention when being sarcastic is to follow the sarcasm with a silly smiley of some kind. For example,

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Savonarola wrote: ...general internet convention when being sarcastic is to follow the sarcasm with a silly smiley of some kind.
DAR
I am a rebel in that regard then because I avoid using smileys. I think they may be a bit of a crutch for poor writing or lack of nuanced reading. People were communicating in writing, sarcastically, long before smilies (and probably being misunderstood some of the time). Sometimes the ambiguity is intended and useful. Other times there is just no excuse.

For instance, if one were to write:

"When I want to find good solid scientific argumentation regarding the global warming issue, I always find pothead anarchist Ayn Rand devotee's who live in the country of Ozarkia to be the most reliable."

Most would detect a hint of sarcasm. Those who don't, tough noogies.

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Actually, when I read Hogeye's first post, I thought HE was being sarcastic, like when I sometimes parody the Repugnican point of view, to demonstrate how ridiculous and/or hateful it is. I'm still not sure. Surely, Hogeye can't be serious. His opinion is so....ridiculous and....hateful.

P.S. I think smileys are dumb.
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Betsy wrote:P.S. I think smileys are dumb.
I don't generally use smileys on forums, except for the "rolling eyes" one because it's so appropriate for some of the nutjob arguments I see. However, having extensive experience with internet dialogue, I've come to realize that sarcasm is hard to express clearly, and smileys can help remedy that problem.
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Savonarola wrote:I don't generally use smileys on forums, except for the "rolling eyes" one...
DAR
I will grant you that. Sometimes the rolling eyes one does paint an appropriate picture.
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I'm not fond of smileys, either. On the NWA site I'd put a parenthetical note that the preceeding is sarcasm, irony, or whatever - which, of course, is an insult to educated, intelligent people, but was always necessary if I was silly enough to respond to Lash.

I find most of Hogeye's comments to be either totally "Never-never Land" or totally out of touch with the reality of life and death issues. His comments above are just a little more extreme than usual.
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Barbara Fitzpatrick wrote: Hogeye's comments...
DAR
He really is a state treasure.

And consider the irony of that.
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Hogeye,

Your comments are totally uncalled for. No matter how the man died he was free to make that decision to be or not be in the military. Allow his wife to grieve in peace without such hattred.

Being as judgmental and rightous as you are perhaps some religious groups would be very happy to accept you participation. It sounds like the same stuff they spew out!
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JamesH wrote:Being as judgmental and rightous as you are perhaps some religious groups would be very happy to accept you participation. It sounds like the same stuff they spew out!
Yeah, I'm sure our buddy the Rev. Phelps would be absolutely thrilled with Hogeye's (warning: sarcasm ahead) constructive, compassionate, and rational comments. Truly.

Good going, Hogeye.

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